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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 28 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1590<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Vilani Elvis<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Re Image Formats<BR>
Re: Vilani Elvis<BR>
Re: GT Ship Damage Tables<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: ship cost<BR>
Re: Terran polities<BR>
THUDDD announcements<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: Graphics<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Purina etc.<BR>
Re: Purina etc.<BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Vilani Language (Was Re: Vilani Elvis)<BR>
Re: Purina etc.<BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
Re: RIP graphics<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:21:25 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Black ICE wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Checking my archives (nearly 7,000 posts since 20 Oct 99), I find the<BR>
> following information concerning TML keyboard kills (listd as:  Date,<BR>
> Victim, Killer):<BR>
<BR>
We need to start collecting data on what the spewed fluids are.  I'd be<BR>
curious to know what TML'ers drink while they read the list.  Or try to.<BR>
<BR>
> 1.  Two TMLers, Kenji Schwarz and Doug Berry, have achieved Ace status<BR>
> (five kills each, within the surveyed time frame).<BR>
<BR>
"In the end, there can be only One..."<BR>
<BR>
En garde!<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:57:20 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Vilani Elvis<BR>
<BR>
There's apparently this Finnish Elvis fan and language expert who has put<BR>
out at least one album of Elvis songs sung in Latin. What really got me<BR>
interested, though, is that he's planning an album of SUMERIAN Elvis songs.<BR>
Since the Sumerian language is the basis for Vilani... well, I'm sure all of<BR>
you can figure out why I brought it up.<BR>
<BR>
Are there any Finnish folks on the list?<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:59:53 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Nah, a C**f-izer would randomly insert personal attacks and<BR>
>inflammatory posts.<BR>
<BR>
And a Sangerizer would filter your incoming posts, buy the rights, and then<BR>
attempt to sell them to you for obscene amounts of cash.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:28:21 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:24:03 -0500 (EST), "Jason T. Barnabas"<BR>
<cybernaut@netzero.net> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Hmm, let's see.  Now if I recall correctly, if I use a program<BR>
>that uses GIF as an output format, the programmer or<BR>
>publisher are responsible for securing those rights yes?<BR>
>If they don't, I cannot be held responsible for thier failure<BR>
>can I?<BR>
<BR>
Unfortunately, Roger <spit> ... I mean Unisys <spit> is taking<BR>
the attitude that you _can_ be, and if they question you and you<BR>
can't prove that you used a licensed program to create them, they<BR>
will try to nail you for five grand.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:28:23 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:52:30 -0500 (EST), GDWGAMES@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>In a message dated 99-12-27 14:11:52 EST, you write:<BR>
<BR>
><< <BR>
> - -- <BR>
> Josh W. Spencer (macmanjws@earthlink.net) >><BR>
<BR>
>In Re Purina puppy chow, etc.: One of the funniest things I ever saw was a <BR>
>worker in a zoo feeding a lion by slitting open a huge plastic tube of a <BR>
>sausage-like stuff and tossing it into the cage. The wrapper said "Purina <BR>
>Carnivore Chow" <BR>
<BR>
>I don't know why it seemed to funny at the time. <BR>
<BR>
I'm a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism.  Within<BR>
that organization, I am a herald.  A number of years ago, I was a<BR>
member of a group that examined requested coats of arms, and<BR>
advised whether they were compatible with the rules and styles<BR>
set forth by the SCA.  One of the submissions, associated with<BR>
the name "Justinian the Sluggard", was blazoned (described) as<BR>
follows:<BR>
<BR>
Chequey of three, gules and argent, a slug passant sable.<BR>
<BR>
For those not savvy in the language of heraldic blazon, this<BR>
submission consisted of a field of nine squares, alternately red<BR>
and white (five red, four white, the center and four corners were<BR>
red), and in the center was the black profile of a large slug.<BR>
<BR>
The immediate reaction of every herald at that commenting meeting<BR>
was "Purina Slug Chow".<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:27:49 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Merrick Burkhardt <merrick@shell.rt66.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Image Formats<BR>
<BR>
The only format I consider decent for vector art is eps. <BR>
<BR>
PNG? What the hell is that? (Yes, I know what it is, but no one uses<BR>
it (least not for press)).<BR>
<BR>
EPS is portable, and a good choice for vector stuff. If you also<BR>
have text, why not just PDF the sucker? (have it include the fonts<BR>
if you have some reason to want the exact font you used).<BR>
<BR>
- -merrick<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:50:15 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Vilani Elvis<BR>
<BR>
Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> There's apparently this Finnish Elvis fan and language expert who has put<BR>
> out at least one album of Elvis songs sung in Latin. What really got me<BR>
> interested, though, is that he's planning an album of SUMERIAN Elvis songs.<BR>
> Since the Sumerian language is the basis for Vilani... well, I'm sure all of<BR>
> you can figure out why I brought it up.<BR>
<BR>
That's tres bizarre!<BR>
<BR>
And I thought _I_ was sick for translating "Yellow Submarine" into<BR>
Arabic, and part of "My Way" into Russian....<BR>
<BR>
BTW, as far as you know, do the Elvius songs "scan" in Latin?  (In other<BR>
words, can you sing them in the target language, to the original music?)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
Keeper of the TML Keyboard Casualty List<BR>
<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:46:04 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: GT Ship Damage Tables<BR>
<BR>
On 12/27/99 at 07:10 PM,  "shadowcat" <meow@advancenet.net> said:<BR>
<BR>
>I can post the rough draft of these tables to the TML or to my  website,<BR>
>but I dont want to ruffle feathers or step on toes in the  process.<BR>
<BR>
Post them here!  It'll be easier for me to steal..urh, borrow...them<BR>
from an email.  And then put them on your website.  <g><BR>
<BR>
Unlike other lists, we don't have a history of objecting to long<BR>
ON-TOPIC posts, only off-topic ones.  Heck, not often to off-topic<BR>
ones. Right, folks?<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
- -- <BR>
- -----------------------------------------------------------<BR>
eris@pcola.gulf.net    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:53:18 -0600<BR>
From: "Joseph R. Dietrich" <yikes@evansville.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
The closest thing I can think of to a "common vector format" would be Adobe<BR>
PDF files, which are essentially Type 3 Postscript, and are cross platform<BR>
for Wintel, MacOS and (I think) Unix boxes -- as long as you have Acrobat<BR>
Reader to look at them, or a Postscript-compatible printer to print them.<BR>
<BR>
Ciao,<BR>
<BR>
Joseph R. Dietrich<BR>
yikes@evansville.net<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:57:10 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
Frank Pitt <frankie@mundens.gen.nz> wrote:<BR>
> There's no logical reason for GIF to be popular,  it's a crappy  format.<BR>
> (Just as there's no logical reason for IBM PC's and Microsoft operating<BR>
> systems to be popular.)<BR>
><BR>
> I never use it, as jpg is so much better for most pictures.<BR>
<BR>
My experience is that .jpg sucks for most pictures.<BR>
Blonds usually look sun-burned, images blur together at<BR>
the edges, etc.<BR>
<BR>
> Those that recommend GIF for line drawings miss the point, any line<BR>
drawing<BR>
> is better rendered using a vector format anyway.<BR>
<BR>
Perhaps you could recommend a vector format that will<BR>
display on most browers and I will be happy to try it out.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jason<BR>
___________________________________________<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:58:14 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: ship cost<BR>
<BR>
Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella <xrp@sierratel.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Via electronic medium on 12/21/99 8:00 PM, kyle3054@yahoo.com wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > Hiya!<BR>
> > Finally I've written out all my rules on pc; what<BR>
> > format can I send them to you? I use Microsquash<BR>
> > Excel-type rubbish...<BR>
> > Kyle<BR>
><BR>
> Boy, I am offline for a couple days and there are 700+ messages on the<BR>
TML!<BR>
> Microsquash, that's a new one. Since I am so behind on the list I don't<BR>
know<BR>
> if anyone else has mentioned this, but others on the list may be<BR>
interested<BR>
> as well in your rules. Perhaps you could drop a chapter or so on the list,<BR>
> or an overview. Excel type rubbish is fine for me, but can you save it in<BR>
a<BR>
> more Mac friendly format? I have a copy of Office 2k, but I would have to<BR>
> run VPC. I can do this, but if you could save it in a Clarisworks<BR>
compatible<BR>
> format, it would help. That would be either Excel 3 or 4, DIF, DBF, or<BR>
SYLK.<BR>
> Or even ASCII unless there are complex formulaes. Excel 3 or 4 is probably<BR>
> the best bet.<BR>
<BR>
I missed the earlier portion of this; however, I would like<BR>
to receive a copy.  If you can zip everything up and send it to<BR>
me, I can probably reformat most of it.  For portions that<BR>
do not require internal calculations, I can put them in HTML<BR>
and post them to the web on your site or on mine.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jason<BR>
___________________________________________<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:58:45 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Hans Rancke-Madsen <rancke@diku.dk><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 1:47 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Leonard Erickson writes:<BR>
><BR>
> >>There is some continuity at least. The government of 1109 is bound to<BR>
some<BR>
> >>extent by a legal decision made by the "World Court" a few years after<BR>
> >>-2030. It appears that the 3 millenia between -2000 and 1100 are a<BR>
little<BR>
> >>different from the 3 millenia between -1000 BC and 2000 AD. Perhaps<BR>
analogies<BR>
> >>drawn between the two periods are not altogether sound.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >And current law is traceable to Roman law, maybe even to Hammurabi.<BR>
><BR>
> Come now, Leonard, I said that the Terran goverment of 1109 was BOUND by a<BR>
> decision made by the "World Court" (whatever that may have been) a few<BR>
years<BR>
> after -2030. How many decisions made by the Roman Senate is legally<BR>
binding<BR>
> on the US government today? I think a little more continuity than between<BR>
> the codes of Hammurabi and the laws of the US is implied, don't you?<BR>
<BR>
Actually, there are two sets of laws in the uSA.  The<BR>
oldest is called Common Law and is decended from<BR>
English Common Law.  The second is Equity Law and is<BR>
also derived from English Equity Law, which was<BR>
decended from Roman Law.  A citizen is actually not<BR>
bound by Equity Law unless s/he decides to be so<BR>
bound.<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: Perhaps there is a similar dicotamy in Imperial<BR>
Law.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jason<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:00:28 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: THUDDD announcements<BR>
<BR>
Like some of you, I have gotten tired of having to enter<BR>
ISBA mailing list address(es), so I have enlisted the<BR>
assistance of ListBot to host the ISBA mailing list.  You<BR>
may join by writing to<BR>
THUDDD-subscribe@ListBot.com<BR>
As far as I can tell, you don't need to include anything<BR>
particular anywhere (besides the correct return address).<BR>
<BR>
When you subscribe, you can send mail to<BR>
THUDDD@ListBot.com<BR>
and view the archives (which there aren't any of yet) at<BR>
http://THUDDD.ListBot.com/<BR>
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After 1/1/00 the old lists will no longer be official<BR>
destinations for any ISBA or THUDDD corrispondance;<BR>
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Also, hopefully THUDDD will be moved into it's new digs<BR>
by the new year.  Check the following URL sometime after<BR>
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Thanks, and I hope everyone had an enjoyable holiday (if<BR>
you chose to selibrate a holiday receintly) and will have<BR>
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anytime in the near future).<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1982 23:04:42 -0800<BR>
From: "Glenn M. Goffin" <gmgoffin@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
> From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
 <BR>
> In mail you write:<BR>
> <BR>
> > I wish to offer my sincerest apologies for any unintentional destruction I<BR>
> > may have caused.  As my number one New Years 2000 resolution I pledge to<BR>
> > cease and desist humorous posts. <BR>
> <BR>
> Why? Humor is *not* forbidden on the list?<BR>
<BR>
It's not about humor.  It's about safety.  <BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:14:09 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Graphics<BR>
<BR>
>> It takes about 2 times longer to display a .jpg as a .GIF on most machines<BR>
>> I've worked with; I've not seen ANY vector formats supported by stock<BR>
>> browsers.[1] Heck, the only vector formats I've seen discussed that I can<BR>
>> open are .ps and .pdf; both are slow.<BR>
><BR>
>Hit the Telegrafix web site and get their RIP add-on for your browser.<BR>
>It even supports Bezier curves.<BR>
><BR>
>> [1] by stock, I mean AS IT INSTALLS. No plug ins from ohter packages. Yeah,<BR>
>> NS and IE, with the acrbat plug, will display acrobat pdfs....<BR>
><BR>
>Oh, ok, in that case RIP doesn't count either. But it's a damn good<BR>
>start. I rather hope they manage to survive and get some market share.<BR>
>Currently, I think the problem is the abysmal quality of most RIP<BR>
>drawing programs. Especially the edit functions.<BR>
<BR>
Sadly, Telegrafix doesn't have a mac plug-in. They announced (in their<BR>
press releases section) that one should have been available by mid year<BR>
1999...<BR>
<BR>
as I said, I have used RIPterm on a 386/sx over a 14.4... it resolved as<BR>
fast as .GIF and .html over a cable modem on my 6100/60... If they did RIP<BR>
stuff for the mac, I'd buy a copy, and use it for WORK!<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 07:56:10 GMT<BR>
From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)<BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:56:21 PST, shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard<BR>
Erickson) wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
>> Purina Mills makes hundreds of types of Purina * Chow, mainly for zoos, etc.<BR>
>><BR>
>> For example:<BR>
>><BR>
>> Purina Rodent Lab Chow<BR>
>> Purina Horse Chow<BR>
>> Purina Deer Chow<BR>
>> Purina Goat Chow<BR>
>> Purina Monkey Chow <BR>
>> Purina Monkey Chow Jumbo<BR>
>> Purina Ferret Chow<BR>
>> Purina Trout Chow<BR>
>> Purina Cow Chow  (small change in the formula produces Purina K'kree Chow)<BR>
>> Purina Nurse Chow (No!  It's for nursing baby cows)<BR>
>> Purina High Octane Hog Chow (for your Harley)<BR>
>><BR>
>> Much of the really exotic chows are being sold under the Mazuri name<BR>
>> (www.mazuri.com).<BR>
><BR>
>Some of us have joked about making a special order for "Purina Human<BR>
>Chow" and putting some in the Hospitality Suite at cons. :-)<BR>
<BR>
Has nobody noticed Bachelor Chow on Futurama?<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:05:34 EST<BR>
From: GypsyComet@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
>>Purina Mills makes hundreds of types of Purina * Chow, mainly for zoos, etc.<BR>
><BR>
>Kirsten and I have been joking for years about needing to buy Teddy Bear<BR>
>Chow before the angry mob of teddy bears goes beserk.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
 They also make Purina Bachelor Chow, but they CALL it Macaroni & Cheese...<BR>
<BR>
GC<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:23:37 -0800<BR>
From: Evyn MacDude <wmacdude@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
GypsyComet@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >>Purina Mills makes hundreds of types of Purina * Chow, mainly for zoos, etc.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Kirsten and I have been joking for years about needing to buy Teddy Bear<BR>
> >Chow before the angry mob of teddy bears goes beserk.<BR>
> ><BR>
><BR>
>  They also make Purina Bachelor Chow, but they CALL it Macaroni & Cheese...<BR>
<BR>
And Jim should know......<BR>
<BR>
It is also Purina Little Kid Chow...<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Evyn,<BR>
The theme of the whole thing is clear. We have to be careful with wisdom. We have<BR>
to make certain we're ready for it when it comes knocking on our door. Knowledge<BR>
isn't always a blessing;<BR>
    sometimes, it's damnation.<BR>
Play Dirty: Let's All Go to the Movies!, by John Wick<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:45:11 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
> How about the first "astronauts" being a Mr. Gordon,<BR>
> nicknamed "Flash".<BR>
> In a ship built by Dr. Zarkov, and accompanied by<BR>
> both Zarkov and Dale<BR>
> Arden. :-)<BR>
<BR>
Or even better, the first people on the moon are a<BR>
crazy old professor and a couple teenage boys, who are<BR>
very distressed to find the nazis got there first<BR>
(they're going to launch nukes from the moon to<BR>
conquer the earth, but the lads and the prof take care<BR>
of them, bringing one back to earth for trial) Now<BR>
THAT was space opera!<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
"Duct tape is like the Force: it has a light side, a dark side, and it binds the universe together"<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:06:00 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Vilani Language (Was Re: Vilani Elvis)<BR>
<BR>
On 12/27/1999 23:57, Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> There's apparently this Finnish Elvis fan and language expert who has put<BR>
> out at least one album of Elvis songs sung in Latin. What really got me<BR>
> interested, though, is that he's planning an album of SUMERIAN Elvis songs.<BR>
> Since the Sumerian language is the basis for Vilani... well, I'm sure all of<BR>
> you can figure out why I brought it up.<BR>
> <BR>
> Are there any Finnish folks on the list?<BR>
<BR>
OK I admit it. NOW I'm lost! How did Sumerian become the basis for the<BR>
Vilani language when the culture didn't exist 300,000 years ago?<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh W. Spencer (macmanjws@earthlink.net)<BR>
Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:11:22 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
On 12/28/1999 03:05, GypsyComet@aol.com wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> They also make Purina Bachelor Chow, but they CALL it Macaroni & Cheese...<BR>
<BR>
Hey I resent that...it's supposed to be CHEESE & Macaroni! :) :)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh W. Spencer (macmanjws@earthlink.net)<BR>
Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:20:07 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
Excellent! Permission to steal and annoy my PCs with<BR>
this lot?<BR>
[evil grin]<BR>
I'm sure they've taken over a hundred passengers over<BR>
the course of their travels, perhaps I should just<BR>
work my way down the list... <BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
"Duct tape is like the Force: it has a light side, a dark side, and it binds the universe together"<BR>
__________________________________________________<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:34:46 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
> Yes, but you see, you (and the others most likely) have had formal<BR>
training<BR>
> on computers.  I have had none at all.  I had to learn on my own, so even<BR>
> this day I don't know much.<BR>
<BR>
Frankly, I learned almost everything I know about computers and programming<BR>
myelf as well<BR>
Though I did a computer science degree, that taught me notyhing about actual<BR>
programming, and we were not taught any languages, just told to submit<BR>
assignments in them, we had to learn them ourselves.<BR>
<BR>
Books are useful.<BR>
<BR>
> I know BASIC good but its a dead language.  I<BR>
> have Visual Basic 4.0 but it makes no sense to me at all when I try to<BR>
> program in it.<BR>
<BR>
Visual Basic doesn't make any sense to the people that wrote it.<BR>
<BR>
It's like one of those pioneer houses that have been lived in ever since<BR>
with bits added on every fifty years or so in the style that was current at<BR>
the time, a real hodge podge of hacks and almost-working things.<BR>
<BR>
> I also have Visual C++ 6.0 which is also collecting dust.  I<BR>
> thought I could make the leap from BASIC to these higher languages but so<BR>
> far simple understanding of the mechanics eludes me.<BR>
<BR>
Training helps <grin><BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:37:17 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: RIP graphics<BR>
<BR>
> > The result was comparable  to HTML, but somewhat smoother.<BR>
> > However, it didn't support the range of file-types that HTML did.<BR>
><BR>
> I think that with some work, incorporating it (or something similar)<BR>
> into HTML would be a good thing. But it definitely needs work.<BR>
<BR>
Caldera give away DR-DOS 6.0, and alomg with it you can get a DOS-based,<BR>
fully-graphical browser that supports HTML 4.0.<BR>
<BR>
It's designed for kiosks, but is great wherever yo need fuill browser<BR>
capability on machines that can't run windows and have very small hard<BR>
drives.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> --<BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
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